Barbara weighs in on the Cindy Sheehan protest over at her new Blogger home, “Independent Single Professional Female in the Buckle of the Bible Belt. YEEHAAA!!“
In that entry, titled “Sheehan,” she lists me as being against Sheehan. I made the following reply:
An excellent, well-argued entry!
I would like to clarify something about my position on this: I’m not sure it’s completely fair to say that I’m just against her. I support her right to free speech and her right to her own opinions. She does indeed have the right to protest in the way she’s protesting, and so long as she doesn’t break any laws, no one should complain that she is taking advantage of the same First Amendment rights the rest of us have.
But I am against her tactics: She claims that the war was started based completely on lies, an assertion many people do agree on. But does she really want answers from Bush, someone who she has indicated she doesn’t trust to begin with? What answers can he possibly give her to make it easier to deal with having buried her son??? Even if he pulls her inside his ranch, and in a private, one-on-one meeting, through tears streaming down his face, tells her that she’s right, he lied. If she doesn’t trust what he says as being factual; if, as she has said, Bush is a liar, how would she know that this little drama isn’t another lie just to give her what she wants so she’ll go away?
Protest the war because you think it’s wrong. Protest the war because you’re angry that you lost a loved one. But don’t protest the war under the auspices of wanting “answers” from someone you obviously don’t believe ever tells the truth to start with: to me, that isn’t completely on the level, either.
If we’re going to use the customer/manager example, let’s take a little closer look: okay, the President is our employee. What’s a good boss going to do when there is a problem with an employee? Is a good boss going to go marching into to the office with lapel pins that read “Firing Tour” and make a big public show of the employee’s questionable performance? Or does a good boss maintain restraint and keep things respectful while explaining to the employee why the actions he has taken are unacceptable?
And when I have a problem with a store, I am very careful when I complain: I have learned to NEVER make harsh statements like, “I’m never coming back in this store again,” because all that does is tell the manager that he has already lost me as a customer and that he therefore would be wasting his effort to try to get me back inside. I take a different approach: I explain, rationally, why I’m upset about the situation, and give the manager time to explain or address the situation. I do not show up outside his store with picket signs that show the world how lousy the service is. I worked in retail long enough to know that such action isn’t going to get you anywhere.
The main difference between the real-life situation and this scenario is that we can’t just go shop in another store.
I especially agree with your Fact One, though: I do believe she has the right to be there, and has every right to take the tactics she has taken. That is her choice. It isn’t the way I would have done things, but she is within her right. I don’t question the situation just because she is against the war, or because she is speaking out against Bush, or Republicans. I think we’d have many more problems if there weren’t people who had strong convictions on both sides of the issue: if we lived in a world where everyone blindly believed everything we were told, that would scare the hell out of me.
Barbara raises important points, though, about those who are protesting Cindy’s protest. I think the people who say she’s being unpatriotic because she doesn’t support the war or the president are the ones who are wrong here. We have free speech in this country for a reason. I would not deny Cindy Sheehan her opinions or her protest, even if it is unfolding in a way other than what I might have done in her situation.
In a new post, Barbara explains that she used the leadership/management example to suggest the expectations of a good leader. In fairness, I was pretty sure I knew that was why she used the example.
She adds:
“There is a difference, however, between the ‘manager’ and the ‘employer,’ particularly when Ms. Sheehan is one of millions of voters whose lives are affected by the leadership of the one supposedly elected into the position. Again, her choice in how to handle the matter is not of my concern: she was within her rights, has done nothing illegal, and does not pose a ‘threat to our national security.’ So whether or not she is correct in the way she went about it is not something I’m willing to argue.
But “her choice in how to handle the matter” was my whole point, why I questioned elements of her protest, but never her right to protest. If we’re going to compare Bush to an employee, I think our own behavior should be able to stand above reproach as his employers.
Do I mean to say she should have come in a bus decorated with elephants and the words, “Four More Years” and Bush’s portrait painted on it? Of course not. But a little diplomacy and a little restraint — the same things the war protestors say Bush failed to use before going into Iraq — might have avoided polarizing so many people on this issue.
According to Truthout.com, just before she left for Crawford, Sheehan said this about people who were “on the fence” about the war:
“If you fall on the side that is pro-George and pro-war, you get your ass over to Iraq, and take the place of somebody who wants to come home. And if you fall on the side that is against this war and against George Bush, stand up and speak out.”
So she’s saying, “you’re either with us or against us,” the same either/or nonsense so many war protestors have complained about Bush using? She doesn’t seem to account for the fact that not everyone is 100% one way or the other: she’s saying either stand up with me and denounce this war, or leave the country and go fight it yourself?
It sounds a lot like Dave, who asked when I would demonstrate the courage to speak out against the war, as though there was no other position possible that might make someone be deemed couragous.
Sorry, folks, it doesn’t work that way.
We do not have to conform to one way of thinking to be considered courageous in this country. We do not even have to publicly state our beliefs on issues. We vote in secret ballot in America: it’s not a matter of whether you vote Democrat, Republican or third party; what’s important is that you vote.
Those of us who are not in the military are not obligated to sign up just to go stand up for our beliefs. Cindy certainly didn’t enlist to express hers, did she? In fact, with regard to her son’s first enlistment, before the War in Iraq began, and even before 9/11 happened, it was almost the opposite: Cindy says she told him she’d take him to Canada so he wouldn’t have to report. If it’s fair to say that those who support the war should go enlist and fight it themselves, what are we to think about someone who didn’t want her son to be part of the military when there wasn’t even a war happening?
And her son voluntarily re-enlisted after the war had begun. Using Cindy’s logic, which seems to state that only those who support the war should sign up and go, what are we to conclude that her son’s position on the war was?
I don’t ask these questions to attack Cindy, who has obviously been through an extreme ordeal in losing her son, her marriage and now her mother’s stroke. I’m not saying the war is right, or even that we got there for all the right reasons.
I simply point out that there are people — and I don’t mean Barbara here — who are so quick to side with Cindy because she “dares” to question what Washington tells us, which we all should be doing regularly anyway, but who at the same time balk at anyone who questions their side of things.
Isn’t that a double standard?
Doesn’t it make you ask why?
If he HAD used the mother of a fallen soldier who is in support of the war, would you not expect the reporter to have mentioned that she had lost a son, too? Or, in this case, should the reporter NOT have mentioned the fact that this mother who supports the war HADN’T lost a son, so that Cindy Sheehan supporters could have made the complaint that the media is using a pro-war spokesperson who hasn’t suffered the loss that Cindy has, and therefore, doesn’t have the same ‘right’ to speak out? This ‘trick’ that you accuse the media of having employed is the same complaint that war opponents accuse them of using the other way around.
It’s better that the media be upfront about who the soundbites come from rather than try to hide it.
(And lest it need to be pointed out, Cindy Sheehan didn’t ‘earn’ the right to be heard; she always had the right to free speech. The war supporters don’t ‘earn’ a BIGGER right to be heard just because they lose a son or daughter in Iraq, either. As Americans, we all have the same rights to speak out, no matter whether we are Gold Star families or not, right?)
Why did the reporter not use a soundbite from the mother of a FALLEN soldier? Perhaps one wasn’t available to him when he got there, or perhaps they were fed up with Cindy getting so much attention that they weren’t willing to talk to someone in the media. Maybe the grieving mothers in attendance didn’t feel like being interviewed. These things happen on a daily basis in every conceivable story a reporter covers. It’s even possible that without the personal loss, the speaker he did use was the most compelling of the group.
What’s the reason? I have no idea…you’d have to ask that reporter. I do know that everything ISN’T a conspiracy.”